Thursday

Appeal for a larger [C40C] waiting train movement.

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While image browsing for Pulsynetic I came across an appeal for a C40C by Chris Jobson at Cumbria Clocks. I have no idea of the date of the appeal from the website.

It seems a "historically important" tower with four 8' dials is badly in need of a replacement after the original 'WT' was "lost."

Does anyone have a C40C they'd like to donate? Perhaps they'd like to contact Chris Dobson at Cumbria Clocks.

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The appeal image shows a gorgeous, pre-WW2, C40B [from ClockDoc's archive gallery] with matching "shoulders" to the upper mainframe. Its greater overall size and heftier construction [than the more typical C40A] should be obvious. A C40A movement was excluded from the appeal as being inadequate to the task.

The Cumbria Clock Co. Ltd is trusted with the service and repair of "horological household names" in nationally important tower clocks and countless others, less well known.

Image of The Royal Liver Building WT movement borrowed for educational purposes from the "Echo" news website.

The Cumbria Clock Co's Facebook page is a mouthwatering collection of unique images and videos for anyone who likes turret clocks. Including several WTs if you keep scrolling down. Though the faint hearted should not look down where dial restoration is concerned. The dial workers must have a real head for heights!

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By coincidence the Cumbria Clock Co is working on the Royal Liver Building's south facing dial. The hands had been set to 12 o'clock for quite a while. So they had to come off for the bearings to be checked. Probably the first time in over 100 years that the hands have been removed. The "Echo" published some images and video of the clock room and other videos have appeared on YouTube of the external dial work. The fully listed building has been bought by a property development company. Which automatically precluded any ratepayer or taxpayer's funding being used for the clock or dial repairs.

The original chimes had also been silent for four years before an amplified recording of the original system was recently installed. There was no room for a full set of bells during the original 19th century clock installation. So a system of hammers and chimes, amplified through a very original design of horn loudspeaker system had been added much later.

 
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Sunday

Grey WT on eBay UK.

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Another C40A WT, No.330, has come up on eBay and is attracting strong bidding. This one is remarkably complete and seems to be in good overall condition. Though with some open questions as to its electrical functionality. [See note below:]

The vendor is to be complimented on his photography. Though the purist will always prefer a blank and neutral background. Cardboard packaging is easily obtainable in suitable sizes to hide any background distraction. It will also also make the most of the item without over or under exposure. No attempt has been made to conceal anything.

NOTE: The seller has now confirmed the coils are in working order. Well worth knowing IMHO. I speak as one palmed off at a Midlands Clock Fair with an expensive master clock with dead coils by a well known dealer of the time.

The mainframe is of the early, organically curved design. It appears to have been repainted grey some time ago. I cannot be sure whether the original dark turquoise (aquamarine?) of the upper pendulum rod is the correct colour for all of this particular mainframe. This same aquamarine colour is seen overall on my own WT and appears thicker and more uniform than this grey.

Later WTs were all painted grey but matching the earlier aquamarine would be possible today with computerized paint mixing readily available. The curved mainframe is definitely early and would probably not have been painted grey at the factory. Later mainframes were painted grey but have a straight, diagonal bar above the pendulum drive electromagnets to confirm their [relative] youth.

The brass/bronze parts are all beautifully gold lacquered in keeping with the period and well shown here. Later examples would have plated details with a matt, silvery appearance.

The coils of the drive electromagnets are bandaged. Suggesting a slightly later date than my own, waxed coils on a very similar WT which was ascribed to just pre-WW2. So perhaps this one dates from the 1940s?

My original concern was the appearance of stray, coil and contact [wire] tails. It seems the main wiring loom [a simple black, twin, coiled wire] running along the base of the main frame has been removed. If the delicate tails are still sound and provide the correct resistance reading on connection to a DMM, then fine.

If not, then major rewinding of at least one of the huge coils may be required. This is almost bound to spoil the original appearance and is very undesirable in a collector's item of this rarity and likely winning auction bid.

Thankfully the seller has now confirmed the coils are still functional. The buyer should carefully avoid any strain on these fine wires during restoration.

The original time setting dial and pointer are present as are the vital worm and worm wheel. The small, hand crank, for rapidly setting the time is absent, but easily replaced. The setting dial itself is easily cleaned and re-silvered with 'old style' 18th century, white, silver salts. NOT modern silvering salts! [See previous blog post for more details.]

http://waitingtrain.blogspot.dk/2017/11/silvering-brass-dials.html

Early, adjustable base, cast brass, contact steady bars are correct for the period and seem to have been fitted with nice, new contacts. The Hipp toggle and V-block are both here.

As is the sloping toggle damper rod. The end would be furnished with rubber hose originally. This was to stop the Hipp toggle rattling unduly and to greatly reduce the chance of a rebound on the return swing of the pendulum. I find clear silicone, model fuel hose ideal as it is soft and does not offend the eye.

A nice compliment of bevel wheels are shown in the rear views of this WT movement. Only one more bevel wheel and several, universal [expansion] joints are missing if it was really desired to run four dials on a proper clock tower. At present this WT movement will drive the hands of only one dial [off to the right when viewed from the front] without adding more [very simple] drive couplings.

These beautiful bevel wheels are always good to have for their rarity and are all but irreplaceable today. Their golden sheen from the deep, original lacquer is always a  delight to see and well shown here in these excellent images.

There is, of course, no need to drive a dial at all. The WT makes an excellent and rather hypnotic, active display item. The usual loud clonks are easily tamed [if desired] to achieve domestic acceptability.


The pendulum bob and lower rod should [arguably] be repainted to match the aquamarine mainframe just to achieve an original, uniform look. Though some WT bobs were indeed painted to make them more noticeable and less dangerous in a dark, confined space like a cramped, clock room. The bob is really quite heavy and, when swinging normally, will punish clumsy or curious extremities. This is a powerful clock and was always intended to be!

Accurate too, in conjunction with the usual, Gents' Pulsynetic master clock. The seller also has an early Pulsynetic master clock for sale. The once-every-half-minute, brief, timekeeping pulse is vital. Or the WT will simply gain and gain. It is also nice to see the fascinating, Waiting Train mechanism in action and this also requires the brief, timekeeping pulse to operate.

Based on the photographs, this WT looks to be easily restoreable with [mostly] cosmetic decisions to be made. The finish is, of course, entirely a matter of personal taste for the new owner. There appears to be no vital, mechanical components missing for normal functionality. The obvious exception to completeness is the missing wiring.

I repeat for clarity: The seller has now confirmed the coils are indeed in working order.

Link to eBay[UK] auction: [Collection only in Northern England.]

Turret Clock | eBay

CORRECTION: The winning losing bid was £1,382.97 RESERVE NOT MET. 
A disappointing result. Sorry I had earlier suggested there had been a winning bid.

I have cropped and sharpened some of the original auction images shown here for educational purposes only.
My endless, blog scribbling is entirely voluntary and I make no financial gain whatsoever. 

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Saturday

Silvering brass dials: Holtby's silvering salts.

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I became a little carried away with my lecture on silvering WT time setting dials in my post on the "Grey WT" auction. I shall now copy this diatribe on silvering over to this post and date it earlier to avoid hiding the auction post.

Modern dial salts are very mean with the sliver and leave a stainless steel, or burnished aluminium [sunburst] look. Which is completely and utterly wrong on an old, antique dial! So avoid eBay or Meadows and Passmore's "finest" "Horrorsilv" silvering salts if you are not to be sorely disappointed! Or want to be instantly recognized as a clock botcher [never bodger] by any self-respecting clock restorer!

I have silvered dozens of antique, brass, clock dials myself so know the difference. The proper white salts are still obtainable and are head and shoulders above the modern stuff. I have both kinds in in my cupboard and enough self-respect to know which is which. I recommend Holtby's silvering salts as a highly satisfied user with no commercial interests.

Note that a matt white dial drastically improves legibility of the digits, clock hands and any engraving on a brass dial. They literally jump out at you compared with modern, shiny and silvery finishes. The latter greatly reduce legibility. Even by adequate, modern, artificial light the time on a polished dial is hard to read because it reflects what is in front of it. Try reading such a dial with a torch or candle from a distance!

Avoid the nasty, modern silver salts like the plague as they do produce a horrible shine which is highly undesirable. There should be no shine at all on a properly silvered dial! This is quite deliberate.

Matt white looks instantly and magically gorgeous during the silvering process. Which was perfected centuries ago when light, after dark, was usually in very poor supply. The only clock in the house usually had to be legible with just a distant and sputtering candle, or taper, from the far end of the hall. Or the cows would not get milked. Nor the household fires lit. Nor the horses harnessed. These were vitally important matters at the time. An hour, in the pitch dark, is a very long time to wait, turning restlessly, between the regular, hourly strikes of a clock's bell.

Silvering is a simple enough task with the required salts and only involves wet rubbing of the brass with fine [wet and dry] emery paper to clean back to bright brass. This is known as graining and coarse abrasives must be avoided at all costs or the dial markings will soon disappear completely!

Try selling your Tompion without a signature or its exquisite dial markings! I have even seen early 18th century clock dials in historical period TV programmes with shiny dials. It is so out of period and character that they might as well have put a baseball cap on the heroine! 😲  Even stately homes and museums have had their valuable clock dials brightly silvered by a Meadows & Passmore wielding vandal! If it's not flat white it's not real! It's as simple as that.

Graining is often accomplished with a manual, rotary action involving a cork sanding block [for the 400 grade emery paper. With a couple of drawing pins for security] on a simple arm with central pivot. The dial is usually supported on a heavily drilled board to allow the dial feet to sink. Allowing the dial to lie flat and stable as the block is rotated back and forth.

The block, or pivot radius must be adjusted to match the dial, or chapter ring size. I had a series of holes in the radius arm and just moved the cross-pin along as required. The emery papered block must be lifted clear when finished with the graining. Or smudging of the circular grain will easily occur. Vertically graining, a one piece, regulator dial requires lots and lots of patience! Don't try to circularly grain a one piece dial or it will look like it came in on the last boat from China.

Graining is immediately followed by rinsing well under the cold tap and then cleaned off with bare, wet fingers but not dried.


This is quickly followed by damp rubbing with the correct [white] silver salts using one's bare [and perfectly clean] finger tips. Small cuts may sting but I have never been poisoned by the silvering process. Some people like to use a rag for rubbing the silver onto the clean brass.

The silver should soon appear as a [sometimes] rather dirty but solid white. It should only be rinsed off when satisfied that a good and even coat of silver is in place. If not, just add more silver salts and rub some more with clean, wet and bare finger tips.

Note that each stage ensures the fingers/hands never dry off so they never have a chance to get greasy or oily. Silver will only adhere to perfectly clean metal. So finger prints will show up if allowed to spoil the clean, wet brass. They may even show up much later. Long after you have delivered the clock to a valued customer 100s of miles away!

The silvering stage is finally neutralized and whitened further with ordinary, household, Cream of Tartar powder rubbed on damp over the fresh silver coating. Followed by plenty of rinsing. I found some finishing powders shine far too much when I was re-silvering antique clock dials. Modern and unnecessarily expensive finishing powders will easily spoil even the correct white silver salts! So buy Cream of Tartar powder cheaply from the supermarket instead.

Clear lacquering is normal for dials which are regularly handled for resetting to time. That means most longcase clocks and those which need a winding key to be guided through a small hole.The main problem is the wax filling in the engraving can become dissolved by the clear lacquer's own solvents. So that they later bleed dark marks into the surrounding silver.

If you can keep your fingers well clear of a bare silver dial it should last quite a while before re-silvering. Though this is not acceptable for a customer's clock. You never know who will be asked to wind it or will try to reset it to time.

Re-waxing the engravings of a brass dial or chapter ring is quite another matter and should not concern the WT owner needing a simple, time-setting dial 're-freshening' of the silver.

BTW: Avoid heating any antique brass dial unduly. They tend to off-gas which used to be highly toxic when I still worked on lots of clocks. Overheating caused me instant asthma. Though I do not normally suffer from asthma, at all. Interestingly WD40 has very similar toxic effects on me but many swear by the product and use it for everything. WD40 puts me in bed to recover if I so much as get a whiff of the stuff! The same with old dials while warming them to re-wax the engravings.

There is a tradition that antique brass dials are not chemically cleaned on the back. As if it added some 'hazy' authenticity to the countless "marriages" purveyed by many in the [antique dealer] criminal classes.

I did plenty  of work for a major, rural, clock specialist. He would regularly play mix'n'match [i.e. mismatch] with longcase weights and pendulums entirely at his personal whim. Anything to make a few pounds more on a smarter clock. I was expected to make them fit somehow until I grew tired of his corruption, greed and idiocy.

I called a complete halt when he demanded dials were swapped with movements purely for profit. A so-called marriage. Easily done, but it requires new holes are formed for the dial feet and the old ones disguised with brass disks hammered in to disguise their presence. This was a common ploy with nice, 30-hour cases needing a [usually much younger] 8-day movement to sell for umpteen extra thousands to uncaring philistines just looking for a furnishing piece. There is no way back from a bad marriage. Of any kind!

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